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Hello Vine, I want to thank you for bringing Panorama World Cup, I am sure that you have started a great tradition that we will all be looking forward to each year. The people who criticize because the event was not perfectly organized from the beginning, are the same people who do nothing themselves but wait for others to take chances with innovative ideas. Even though the band I voted for did not win, I want to congratulate Silver Stars. Looking forward to the next Panorama World Cup

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From: Bernadine Johnson-Collier | Date: 17 January 2010, 09:45

Congratulations to the organizers and sponsors and of course to Silver Stars. I am from T&T and I am so proud of them, they have always been a consistently good band. I know some people in T&T will say that there are better bands in T&T but that is not the point, is it? Thank you.

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From: Barry Linton | Date: 17 January 2010, 04:32

Firstly, I want to say thank you for promoting a Panorama World Cup show. Anything that is done, in a good way, to export and introduce this wonderful musical form to the rest of the world, is a great thing. Congratulations on a great job. Secondly, I can't wait for the next show. Thanks to everyone involved. Pan is in my blood,forever. Barry

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From: steelpanforever | Date: 11 January 2010, 13:17

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From: Gene Ramjohn | Date: 6 January 2010, 11:50

Salah is definitely not in Silver Stars class, so with all the votes you have, there is rigging all the way.

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Vine replies votes will be verified, so not to worry about that, but who says salah is not in silver stars class.. If i remember rightly, there was an outcry when silver stars won panorama, so please check music not status...


From: Panness | Date: 1 January 2010, 13:14

I'm sure this was just supposed to be some light-hearted FUN. EBONY EBONY EBONY Nuff love

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Vine replies wether anyone saw this as fun or not, what they got was, four winners. all the bands deserved there position, and good luck to them all. no matter what the result......... See you next year

P replies Yes, Panness, I was looking at it as an opportunity to hear 4 winning panorama bands and vote for who I thought played the best arrangement. Luckily, I heard Ebony live in London, so I have no issue with the poor audio for your tune. All this hightech talk I think is WAY above Vines' intentions for this event.


From: KNOLLY SMITH | Date: 24 December 2009, 21:26

FROM KNOLLY KINSALE SMITH:PRESIDENT OF QUEBEC STEELPAN MUSIC ASSOCIATION. I PROMISED YOU MY INPUT ON THE PLANNING OF THE WORLD CUP PANORAMA, HERE IT IS. IN MY OPONION IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENCE TO INCLUDE ALL THE PANORAMA WINNERS FROM THROUGTOUT THE WORLD OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. LIMIT THE SIZE OF THE BANDS TO FIFTY PLAYERS SO THAT NO ONE BAND WOULD HAVE AN ADVANTAGE ON OTHER WHEN TALK ABOUT NUMBERS.ONLY THEN WE COULD SAY IT'S ABOUT WHO PLAYED THE BEST MUSIC IN THE COMPETISION. HOW CAN YOU HAVE A WORLD CUP PANOROMA WITHOUT AN ENTRY FROM:DESPERADOES,PHASE II PAN GROOVE ALL STARS,RENEGADES,FONCLAIRE, EXODUS. WHAT ABOUT THE SMALL AND MEDUIM SIZE BANDS, SOUND SPECIALIST,SIMPLE SONG JUST TO NAME A FEW WINNERS FROM OVER THE YEARS.WHAT ABOUT PANORAMA WINNERS FROM OTHER CARIBBEAN ISLANDS REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A WORLD PANORAMA CONTEST SEND THREE JUDGES TO DIFFERENT STEELBANB COUNTRIES OR LOCATION,TO HEAR THE BANDS, RECORD THE BANDS,AND RATE THE BANDS ACCORDING TO THE JEDGES SCORE SHEETS.THE WAY IT IS ORGANISE NOW THE WINNING BAND WILL ALWAYS BE THE BAND WITH THE MOST SUPPORTERS WHO HAVE EASY ACESS TO THE INTERNET.I AM SURE THAT THE BAND THAT WIN'S THIS COMPETISON WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTION LIKE WHAT ARE THE NAMES OF THE WORLD CLASS BANDS THAT YOU COMPETED AGAINST. I KNOW YOU HAVE TO START FROM SOME WHERE,JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT YOU WILL NEVER GET A SECOND CHANCE TO MAKE A FIRST IMPRESSION AS IS THE CASE WITH THE MONTREAL PANORAMA, WHICH STARTED WITH SIX BANDS A FEW YEARS AGO AND IS NOW DOWN TO ONE BAND.BECAREFULL OF YOUR FIRST STEP IT COULD ALSO BE YOUR LAST. LET ME REPEAT MYSELF THE IDEA OF A PANOROMA WORLD CUP IS BRILLIANT ONE.

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P replies Knolly, I think that you have misunderstood the concept of the PW-C. 1. I don't understand why you suggesting that that it should include winners from the last 5 years; Panoramas take place on an annual basis and the idea is to compare the winners of all world-wide competitions for that year. 2. How can the numbers be limited to 50 players? Phase II aren't going to enter a Panorama competition with 50 players. Numbers don't make for good music anyway! 3. Entries from your named bands would only apply if they WON the panorama for that year. The clue is in the title: Panorama World Cup. i.e. The best (Winner) from that country, represents their country, just like the FIFA World Cup. 4. No other country, except Trinidad & Tobago, has the Medium and Small band category. 5. There was difficulty in getting recordings of the 4 winners for this PW-C. Hopefully Vine will get contacts from other countries to get Panorama winners recordings from those countries. 6. Send 3 judges to different steelband countries? Who is going to pay for that? If you find a sponsor, count me in!!! 7. I can see your point about how internet access availability can skew the results, but I hope, albeit naively, that the listeners will listen to the tunes and vote for the tune they think is the best, not through blind band loyalty. Also, do you think that only players and band supporters of the 4 bands will be voting? 8. I don’t understand your correlation between making a first impression and the Montréal Panorama and your ominous prediction regarding first steps. Please note that I have nothing to do with this S W-C, I am just a voter/pan jumbie.

Monix replies "Also, do you think that only players and band supporters of the 4 bands will be voting?" Never! Or what's the interpration of this: Pan Sonatas have had 100 players, and currently have 80 votes...

P replies Well Monix, according to Knolly, Sonatas only have 80 people who support them and have internet access! LOL

Monix replies oh-hoh... and the 100 players don't like their own song any more, or what??

P replies Well Monix, it look so! LOL

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From: Crystal Holder | Date: 24 December 2009, 14:04

The UK National Anthem is not "Land of Hope and Glory". It is "God Save the Queen". Please do your research properly.

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Vine replies Nice to know that you care... I have already been told off for making political statements!!! If you are offended please accept this as an apology...


From: Jamal Spence | Date: 22 December 2009, 20:48

People keep forgetting it's not about the size of the band, it's about the music. Size never matters. At at several battles in history, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and 313 Muslims against over 1000 troops, and who won? The whole point of this competition is for us to see the different levels at which pan is at around the world. Each band has their own style of arranging music. Silver Stars and Salah's Steelpan Academy both chose the same song and look at the different renditions. That is what makes a panorama so great! So if you want to keep comparing the size of the band then go ahead, but can you see the 100 players vs 30? Music is music, and its the best arrangements that leaves a mark on pan lovers around the world. Vote for the Music! I voted for Salah's Steelpan Academy not because it has 30 players but because in my opinion, the ARRANGEMENT is the best! Jamal Spence Bass

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Vine replies Amen

Jamal Spence replies Not that there is a need for another source, but since SIZE is such a hot topic, look at this clip from Pan Alive 2009. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF2r_lYopK0&feature=PlayList&p=0DB1D0602CD3AA01&index=7 Again, Salah's Steelpan Academy is up against bands that are, at the very least, double in size. Just try and listen to the quality of the music. And if you feel the need, count the number of players in each band and see if that changes the sound...


From: KNOLLY SMITH | Date: 22 December 2009, 01:08

From:KNOLLY KINSALE SMITH:PRESIDENT OF MONTREAL STEELPAN MUSIC ASSOCIATION THE IDEA IS A VERY GOOD ONE. IN MY OPONION IT SHOULD BE BETTER PLANNED. HOW CAN YOU HAVE A BAND WITH 30,PLAYERS COMPETING AGAINST THE PANORAMA CHAMPS OF T&T WITH A MEMBERSHIP OF ONE HUNDRED PLAYERS, A VERY POWERFULL SOUND AND THE BEST ARRANGE MUSIC IN THE PANORAMA. I AM VOTING FOR SALAH STEELPAN ACADEMY BECAUSE THE BAND IS FROM MONTREAL QUEBEC, CANADA

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member88 replies It seems everyone is forgetting that Salah's steelpan Academy are PANORAMA CHAMPS just like the other 3 PANORAMA CHAMPS(in each respective country) and are not just "a band of 30 players". Also, the size of the band has no argumentative backing: they met the competition sizing requirements, they DID beat out 13 other bands each with 60+ players, in Toronto...for THREE years in a row. Secondly, could you or would you have planned this better? If so, please share your ideas and/or opinions so Vine and others can improve on this for next year....


From: deejay | Date: 20 December 2009, 21:23

I played with the winning band from uk...EBONY....i dont do disrespect in any forum so what im saying is not a cuss to any band....trinidad is the home of pan and therfore is gonna produce some amazing pan music and performances every year....the uk scene is rapidly developing a new generation of talented new pannists and canada seems a little behind the uk....if you ask me ebony have the best overall rounded sound and i love pan sonatas arrangement....its a contest of who is publicising the rama to their friends....not on the music which is a bit of a let down....ebony had about 60 players compared to US and Trini who have 100.....ebony aint that far behind whats going on in trini?!

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deejay replies ......ebony is a community like the bands in trini...i cant comment on salah steelpan academy because iv never played pan in canada!


From: Vere | Date: 18 December 2009, 14:44

You bore me. You are talking about Panorama, and the first thing you introduce is a calypso The internet is a click and go entity. People don't want to waist time on trifle. You want to produce a show on the internet, and that's a lot of time. Just the facts (that is just the bands)! All that was needed was 2 minutes of each band to enable listeners to determine the best sound. Then you had to do with the American anthem – are you kidding?

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Vine replies well it got you wasting your time writing very exciting drivel, i bet life in your house hold is just one long waste of time YAWN.. Thanks for your comment i was riveted.. But if you read the top you will see you can download just the rama bit...


From: Hameed | Date: 17 December 2009, 22:11

I hope this venture will expand to include every Steelband Panorama on Planet Pan and even capture the performances live via Pan TV. Since many Panoramas are held at different times within the year, media coverage can be cordinated with the different international medias to make this vibrant and marketable for sponsors....

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Vine replies Hey Hameed, that is what i am hoping for next year. All panorama winners from all countries. It must start from somewhere. thanks for your support..


From: khalick hewitt | Date: 17 December 2009, 21:11

Congratulations for the Panorama World Cup. It is a great idea. How long will it last to decide the winner?

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vine replies I will be closing and verifying the votes on 10th Jan and announcing the winner on the 11th Jan


From: Frank Cristo | Date: 17 December 2009, 18:57

Obviously a contest of which country has a greater distribution. Trinidad has a least 8 bands better than anything the other countries have to offer, Salah's band has about 30 players. How do you compare that to over 100 players to even qualify for Trinidad panorama.

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vine replies Hey Frank, Great point, but Should band size matter??? I think Salah stands up well to all competition.. But hey this is why we did this..

hameed replies The Samaroo Family of 8 won a Steelband Festival beating all the great bands in Trinidad dont forget......


From: Chini Panman | Date: 17 December 2009, 18:08

If you really want to stage a Panorama World Cup, lets all meet head on and not the internet. I have been told that dozens of people are voting without even hearing a single note from each band. Maybe this was the planned purpose for Silver Stars not allowed to perform their Rendition of First In De Line, at that Toronto Panorama Competition. In all fairness, Salah doesn't even come close to Ebony, and this is the little league for Silver Stars, so I think this exercise ought to be scrapped. LET'S STAGE THIS PHYSICALLY!!!!!!!!!

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P replies If you what this competition to happen physically, you will be waiting a looooooonnnnnngggggg time bro! The steel pan world struggles to hold a world steelpan festival, let alone try and hold a world panorama champs comp on a yearly basis!

vine replies Some people probably are voting through loyalty reasons, without listening. My experience has showed me that there are people who think their band is the best without listening to the other bands at their respective Rama's. What happened in Toronto this year was way out of our control. as for staging this physically, well why not!!!!! I am up for it , I am sure Gospel is, so is miss monika, P would be i know.. the question is are you?????????


From: P | Date: 15 December 2009, 18:49

Please remember people, this is the first time this has been done! There is bound to be a few teethng problems, which I am sure Vine will try and address the next time the Panorama World Cup is held. Bill Gates is still trying to sort out Windows for goodness sake! I have raised my own concerns with regard to content, audio quality etc, but I cannot fault the concept! How many of us can get to all these Panoramas in one year? How many of us heard Salah Steelpan Academys' 2009 rendition live or recorded? I know that there are issues about listening to recordings on the net or otherwise, but there are also issues listening to the tunes on 'de night' as well! VOTE!

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vine replies Thanks for that P. On the other hand we must also accept responsibility when doing things like this. Keep sending in your comments and keep on voting


From: keisha | Date: 15 December 2009, 06:31

well i tink that pansonatas & silver stars sound de best. which ever band win i would be rel glad.. goodluck!

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From: Paul Francis | Date: 15 December 2009, 06:20

I must agree with Orville Wright of earlier this morning. I appreciate that you are presenting a show but would recommend that you include the capability for us to click on each band so we can short cut and hear the renditions so as to make our choice.

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Monix replies Dear Paul On top of the Home page, between the player (left) and the logo (right) is a feature 'download the short podcast' - that's four bands alone, without festive intro.


From: x1bust2 | Date: 15 December 2009, 05:07

I attened NY panorama and Canada's. I noticed the amplified band is leading the way and the next better recorded band is in second. IMHO Poor recording of the best pan tune will always result in skewed opinions. On that note the best sounding band is the Canada band which might I point out was small and amplified.

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From: Orville Wright | Date: 15 December 2009, 02:27

I received this format of voting from a colleague of mine and as one who is keen on steelband competition, there is no need for me to be listening to Fay Anne Lyons and other atrists if the purpose is to judge a steelband competition. This is especially true if there is nothing musical to be gained (from my perspective) from audio on the Internet that has so many shortcomings. I thought I was going to be judging a competition, but having heard three pieces of music that have nothing to do with the competition, I may not participate because too much time has gone by.

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Vine replies Hi Orville, You can sroll through the podcast on the page, better than that you can download the shorter podcast with just the world cup. Thanks again for your comments and i hope this doesn't affect your vote.. Also as this is the first one it is important we get it right for next time.. The Panorama world cup is part of the show we call Festive Pandemonium

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From: catt | Date: 14 December 2009, 14:42

LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT. ok, i know i been MIA lately but i'm BAAAA-aaaccck ... catching up Vine this is BRILLIANT, i'm LOVING the 'live show' format. As usual, your creativity and livication to all things pan, delights. but i wouldn't expect anything less. you got me crackin up over here on this cold rainy Monday morning in the (ugh) office, between this and TnT in 5 weeks maybe i'll be able to make it thru the winter.... with each idea you bring to fruition, you are raising the bar higher and higher. nice job mate! Site re-design looks great too! it's a "www pan party"!!! peace & pan to you and yours, and God bless Bradley and Boogsie : - ) -catt

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From: Vine | Date: 14 December 2009, 14:22

Salah Steelpan Academy now out in front, followed by Silver Stars, Ebony back in 3rd.. keep the votes coming in PS. Harry sorry for any offence caused, I am hoping next year will be bigger with more winning bands around the world

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dave replies yeah


From: harry best | Date: 14 December 2009, 01:03

Why was France left out? Calypsociation?

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Vine replies Harry sorry for any offence caused, I am hoping next year will be bigger with more winning bands around the world

Monix replies Vine, they don't have a Panorama competition in France as yet, so how to tell who's 'the best' band in France?

vine replies Maybe, just maybe this will encourage bands like calypsociation to enter UK panorama.. Remember they call Notting Hill Carnival Europe's Biggest street festival!!!!!!

P replies Vine boy, bands from oop north dont come to the UK Panorama because of the politics. I suggest that France/Paris form their own Panorama competition because bands like Calypsociation would get robbed in London!


From: sterling sample aka sugars | Date: 14 December 2009, 00:25

we need a link with the panorama tunes of each band to make a balance decision i am sure that everyone did not hear all the bands band that are competing

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From: Andy Vine | Date: 12 December 2009, 10:46

If you do just one thing in your life ... make it count ... VOTE EBONY!

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Gemma replies It is not the size that matters, it is how you could beat! Salah may be small in numbers, but it is the quality that counts. Salah is my choice!


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